Police Burtality at Mardi Gras Sydney

[Untainted]

If any of you watch or read the news you have obviously seen the video of the incident at Mardi Gras Sydney where the 18 year old was arrested and allegedly assaulted by police.

What I want to know is what are all of your views on the issues?

 

[Converted]

Biggest fuck up on YouTube..........u only see half the story- the part ppl want you to see, what u don't see is that peice of shit assaulting a police officer, resisting arrest heavily and he was armed.

That officer was completely above board with the actions that he took, IMO he should've hit him harder, police take so much shit, get a abused dayin, day out and are still there to save your life.

People are so quick to judge the actions of those in power. If someone runs at a cop with a knife and the cop shoots him it's trigger happy?

They are there to protect us, even if it from ourselves.

 

[Josh]

Police are ppl too

When I was growing up hated with a passion every cop in my town,truthfully I bet every one of them hated me too.Going though the court system 10 times and getting railroaded by asshole's will do that to you.

In my current location in life lots of small towns around with 2-4 cops in each town,Once I got to know them though the work I do at pubs/clubs when there not on the job.Gain a new respect for them.

We all know I drink at work (for free) has been many occasion after work I down a few dozen with them.We got talking about his work and what he has to see on occasion,I was like fuck I could never do that.He was like Fuck I could never do your job and listen to ppl QQ about poker each to there own.

nothing really to do with current topic (not even seen the video) End of the day you only treat some cunt with the same amount of respect you get treated with and we all know cop's can and will play God but not all of them do and if you judge cop's just of them you don't see the full picture.

 

[Waggz]

Biggest fuck up on YouTube..........u only see half the story- the part ppl want you to see, what u don't see is that peice of shit assaulting a police officer, resisting arrest heavily and he was armed.

That officer was completely above board with the actions that he took, IMO he should've hit him harder, police take so much shit, get a abused dayin, day out and are still there to save your life.

People are so quick to judge the actions of those in power. If someone runs at a cop with a knife and the cop shoots him it's trigger happy?

They are there to protect us, even if it from ourselves.

Says who? The police?

I don't know anything about this story or how the general police culture is down under, but I can tell you this is a VERY dangerous attitude to take here in the states. The following statements apply to the US as that is where I live and the stories I read.

The police are NOT there to help you. They don't have to. This has been established by the Supreme Court a couple times. The police WILL lie. The police WILL kill you for no reason. The police will NOT be punished for it, in fact they will be rewarded and treated as heroes.

Now, let me say that my dad retired from the Illinois State Police as a lieutenant. My dad's uncle is retired from the ISP as well, he was a lieutenant colonel, district commander, and holds the state's record of most successful hostage negotiations. My cousin works for the ISP. My cousin's husband works for the county sheriff. I used to work for the ISP. I used to work for the local city police department. I used to work inside a county jail as a sheriff's department/911 dispatcher. I know a ton of cops. I would trust them all with my life. And I know if I were in deep shit they would do everything they could to help me, and some have. I have done the same for them, responding to two incidents in the middle of the night when I was home and listening to the police radio. Once I helped a cop being beaten up by a big drunk fucker. Once an officer stopped responding to status calls after calling out near a business to check on suspicous person. I didn't know what I was going to find, but I went to help, as generally in my town we have one cop and the nearest help is 15 minutes away at best, sometimes more. He had been knocked the fuck out by a board and was laying on his back behind the building. So suffice it to say I have a good relationship with cops I know.

That being said, I wouldn't trust a single cop that I don't personally know. I read the stories every day. I see the videos on Youtube. I see the self entitled gang members that hide behind a badge and try to walk all over the rights of their fellow citizens. Yes, cops are citizens too and should be subject to the same laws and expectations. I cringe when I see police departments getting grants for drones and armored assault vehicles. I get infuriated every time I hear the phrases "turn the camera off" almost invariably followed soon after by "Stop resisting!" Badges don't grant extra rights. The gun control issue is huge in the states right now, and what's so funny is if it continues in the current trend, those people who fought so hard to get it, won't have anything to stop them when it goes too far. In the meantime I'll keep sleeping with my Glock and keep my 29 round magazine loaded. Just in case. /rant

 

[Converted]

Says who? The police?

I don't know anything about this story or how the general police culture is down under, but I can tell you this is a VERY dangerous attitude to take here in the states. The following statements apply to the US as that is where I live and the stories I read.

The police are NOT there to help you. They don't have to. This has been established by the Supreme Court a couple times. The police WILL lie. The police WILL kill you for no reason. The police will NOT be punished for it, in fact they will be rewarded and treated as heroes.

Now, let me say that my dad retired from the Illinois State Police as a lieutenant. My dad's uncle is retired from the ISP as well, he was a lieutenant colonel, district commander, and holds the state's record of most successful hostage negotiations. My cousin works for the ISP. My cousin's husband works for the county sheriff. I used to work for the ISP. I used to work for the local city police department. I used to work inside a county jail as a sheriff's department/911 dispatcher. I know a ton of cops. I would trust them all with my life. And I know if I were in deep shit they would do everything they could to help me, and some have. I have done the same for them, responding to two incidents in the middle of the night when I was home and listening to the police radio. Once I helped a cop being beaten up by a big drunk fucker. Once an officer stopped responding to status calls after calling out near a business to check on suspicous person. I didn't know what I was going to find, but I went to help, as generally in my town we have one cop and the nearest help is 15 minutes away at best, sometimes more. He had been knocked the fuck out by a board and was laying on his back behind the building. So suffice it to say I have a good relationship with cops I know.

That being said, I wouldn't trust a single cop that I don't personally know. I read the stories every day. I see the videos on Youtube. I see the self entitled gang members that hide behind a badge and try to walk all over the rights of their fellow citizens. Yes, cops are citizens too and should be subject to the same laws and expectations. I cringe when I see police departments getting grants for drones and armored assault vehicles. I get infuriated every time I hear the phrases "turn the camera off" almost invariably followed soon after by "Stop resisting!" Badges don't grant extra rights. The gun control issue is huge in the states right now, and what's so funny is if it continues in the current trend, those people who fought so hard to get it, won't have anything to stop them when it goes too far. In the meantime I'll keep sleeping with my Glock and keep my 29 round magazine loaded. Just in case. /rant

I hear you mate, I was merely talking about this particular situation, and I have to say... America and Australia are VERY different countries

 

[Josh]

my Glock and keep my 29 round magazine loaded. Just in case. /rant

Once hunting for a living

This here is the problem with your gun laws why on earth do you need a 29 round mag?True story shoot anything with the smallest calibar 22 and its going to die maybe not right then but its good as dead.and what one bullet did 3 would have a 300% greater effect.

Anything more the 6-8 bullet mag's are a fucking joke unless your in the army

And that's not even on the same lvl as a glock,Life or death situation you need 6-8 bullets at the most

 

[Zedy]

29 mag means u nether need to be aiming at the target or any skill at all with a fire arm and still be able to hit the target.

-From the beard phone

 

[Waggz]

Once hunting for a living

This here is the problem with your gun laws why on earth do you need a 29 round mag?True story shoot anything with the smallest calibar 22 and its going to die maybe not right then but its good as dead.and what one bullet did 3 would have a 300% greater effect.

Anything more the 6-8 bullet mag's are a fucking joke unless your in the army

And that's not even on the same lvl as a glock,Life or death situation you need 6-8 bullets at the most

Wow. This made me chuckle. One, I don't plan on hunting with my 40 caliber pistol. It's a self defense tool and sometimes recreational stress reliever. I'm not a hunter, but if I were, I'd have a few long guns. Two, when I get awoken by two thieves rustling through my stuff in the middle of the night with adrenaline at an all time high and my life on the line, I'm not going to put faith in myself to be able to stop those guys with six bullets. THAT is a fucking joke, and a gamble I'm personally not going to make. Three, I don't keep the 29 rd mag in the gun. It's a bit unwieldy and can sometimes jam. I keep the factory 15 rd mag in the gun and have a few 10 and 15 rd mags ready to go in addition to the 29 rd mag all in the drawer next to my bed. Four, the way our country is headed right now is the beginning of the end. The police state will only increase, disarming the populace is only one step in that direction.

I'm glad things are different for you guys, perhaps I should come live there. If only it wasn't so hot!

 

[Untainted]

I asked this question because I am a Police Officer in NSW and wanted to see how people were reacting to this situation.

Quite honestly as soon as I saw the first video I immediately knew that the kid was at fault here. Police don't just throw a kid around for the fun of it, if we do it's our job and most likely criminal charges and it's totally not worth it. My biggest issue is this kid has gone on national tv saying that he cannot remember what happened and that he just wants an apology, he was probably paid a good amount to get on tv and say what he has. Even worse is what the public are saying that it was an attack on the gay and lesbian community and is a homophobic reaction by the cop who did it. If it was a straight person should the heterosexual community be up in arms saying it's an attack on heterosexuality?

I thank you guys for saying what you have about police and the stuff that we have to deal with it means a lot to us.

As for American police, to be honest I wish we had even just half the power you guys have. We have to be hit before we can even think about drawing anyone of our appointments. The criminals and the vast majority of the community have absolutely no respect for the police and that we way we are treated is apauling, we go out there to help people but get spat on and assaulted and called every name under the sun every day we work.

 

[Converted]

I asked this question because I am a Police Officer in NSW and wanted to see how people were reacting to this situation.

Quite honestly as soon as I saw the first video I immediately knew that the kid was at fault here. Police don't just throw a kid around for the fun of it, if we do it's our job and most likely criminal charges and it's totally not worth it. My biggest issue is this kid has gone on national tv saying that he cannot remember what happened and that he just wants an apology, he was probably paid a good amount to get on tv and say what he has. Even worse is what the public are saying that it was an attack on the gay and lesbian community and is a homophobic reaction by the cop who did it. If it was a straight person should the heterosexual community be up in arms saying it's an attack on heterosexuality?

I thank you guys for saying what you have about police and the stuff that we have to deal with it means a lot to us.

As for American police, to be honest I wish we had even just half the power you guys have. We have to be hit before we can even think about drawing anyone of our appointments. The criminals and the vast majority of the community have absolutely no respect for the police and that we way we are treated is apauling, we go out there to help people but get spat on and assaulted and called every name under the sun every day we work.

It's fucking disgusting. Nothing infuriates me more than hearing people say "fuck cops there all cunts" when at the end of the day there ENTIRE job is to protect the community and these exact people will one day be in need and the police will be there for them.

Sure there are good cops and bad cops, as there are good mechanics and bad mechanics its all the same, u cannot have 100% of employees being good ones.

This is a touchy subject for me in particular as the police have saved my life and supported me when I lost a good mate to a motorcycle accident.

People blame the police for everything like its there fault u got a fine for speeding.

Personally I'd tell some fuckwit to fuck off if he had a camera in my face, firstly because the cop probably knew it was going to be edited and blown out of proportion, tell the little cunt to stop resisting too! If he's resisting tell him to stop I see no problem with that.

 

[Waggz]

The problem over here is a matter of trust. When you see videos and news stories every day of cops abusing their authority and being proved to be liars in court it erodes away what trust the public has in the police force. Then when you see things like the Florida Highway Patrol officer who arrested the Miami cop for driving recklessly while off duty and endangering the lives of the public, where she has been getting death threats and a hundred cops abused their government database access to find her address you see just how dangerous it is for a good cop to go against the thin blue line. As you say, there are certainly good cop stories out there, but they rarely make the news. I worked with a lot of good cops, and I take offense personally when some idiot tarnishes my family's reputation for whatever reason. As far as cameras go, to quote the police here when they ask to search your private property, if you don't have anything to hide, then it won't hurt anything. There was a recent Occupy Wall Street trial where cops testimony and written affidavits were found to be completely false due to bystander video evidence. Visit Carlos Miller's blog and see how police in the states react to being filmed. Untainted, you show remarkable restraint and would certainly be a diamond in the rough in most major metropolitan police forces here. How far would you go to protect a fellow officer though? Would you lie on an affidavit to corroborate a story that didn't actually happen the way he claims? A lot would. Sometimes they even conspire to do so on tape they know is recording! My dad used to have a saying, "What reason does a cop have to lie?" I've been trying to answer that question for years, with little success. I think a lot of the time it is a fear of nonconformity. The saying goes, "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely." As I mentioned before, I worked inside a jail for a period of time. All the officers and jailers knew where the camera didn't reach. I saw officers get pissed at people and overreact in anger. I saw a hog-tied prisoner get carried down the hallway while being continually drive stunned with a taser. I saw a deputy put a prisoner's head through a wall when he got spit on. These were good people, good cops, that were pushed too far and hit their breaking point for a moment. Luckily both those people were wasted and probably had no recollection of it later, but I don't know what I would say if a lawyer came asking me questions about it. I certainly didn't condone it. At the time, I probably would have claimed I didn't witness it or say the prisoner was being more unruly than they were. I'd like to think I have a stronger integrity now and would tell the honest truth and be damned the consequences.

If Australia is truly absent of the corruption and abusive nature that is so rampant over here, I really do envy you. I don't agree with what Chris Dorner did, but I can certainly understand how he felt. I don't agree with Randy Weaver's philosophy, but I can certainly understand his feelings about the government's actions at Ruby Ridge. I'm not sure what the future holds, but I do know if tings continue in this direction here there's going to be more death on both sides. I don't envy anyone in law enforcement, it's a tough job with average pay in a climate that becomes more 'us vs them' every day. If cops keep thinking this is a war, soon enough, it will be.

 

[Untainted]

Waggz, I'm not saying that the police in Australia are free of corruption. Have a look at how we were in the 80's and early 90's. It was horrible how bad it was, one of my sergeants is on restricted duty because he openly says that he took money when he should't have. Since then the amount of policies and regulations have been implemented to stop corruption at the smallest incident, if we pull a car up and i know the person because i went to school with them 5 years ago, I have to pass it off to my partner because it's a conflict of interest.

As for taking one to protect my offsider, I honestly don't know how I would go, thankfully I haven't had to be in that position and hopefully i never will be.

As for being pushed too far, you're damn straight it happens. It happens to me every single shift and having to restrain myself from unleashing on the crim that we have to deal with and it's usually the same person or their husband or wife.

 

[Josh]

View's from the other side

Not going to get into my life story but I've been on the wrong side of the law in my younger stupid days,even spending 8 months of my life in Riverina Juvenile Justice Centre in Wagga Wagga haha use names as Untainted is from NSW so will know.Now I done some dumb shit as I said but some I did'nt do.But the game becomes a totally different one when its not the local cop that's bad its the hole police detective squad and can and will profile you and pin anything thay choose to on you.and since that time 1995-2000 the town of Young and said police detective's have been sacked by IA and god know's what happen to them now. (not that it helps me in any way or any one else)

Then you go though the courts that ARE worse then any bad cop.Town has 15000 ppl...The Judge The district attorney and The legal Aid lawyer all have smoko and lunch together and decide your fate before you even had a chance true fucking story...How do I know you ask well around that time My mother recived a $250,000 payout from a car accident she had when a truck hit her.I brought the best lawyer in NSW (who did not break bread with the enremy) and never seen a court room again money talks bullshit walks in that system The crime's I was facing Unlawfull imprisonment and false imprisonment were so Bullshit anyone could see fuck I was 14 who was I going to take prisoner......But still lol I was looking at 2 years in jail at 14....And as I said same pack of wankers sent me there before so this one was a walk in the park....Thank god I got a good lawyer

So then after I hated anything to do with cop's courts and most of all plain cloths cocksucker wanna be dick tracy detective's

But as one does found a job moved out lived in Sydney after that for a few years until I was 18 then moved to northen NSW town called Ashford were anything went and cop's were the last of your problem but why I was there some thing happen that first changed my out look.The town had 1 cop who was a single dad,his son was 16 used to drink with him.His father was a good guy let us off with heaps of teenage shit and you could talk to him...one day his father booked one of his friends.The son was fucking angry / upset took off in his car hit a tree at 160kh and died...Guess who got called out and was the 2nd on the scene....his father...Who then went on to shoot himself 6 months later.Fact cops are only ppl too.

Found a wife had some kids settle'd down moved to my current location were like I said I have a lot to do with the cops outside of work and you soon see there normal ppl just like yourself who share just about the same feelings I do to everything just with a different job to do.Some of my greatest poker games have been with cops saying / doing shit I would never have thought a off duty cop would do.

And I also still have a habit of kicking drunks out in all kinds of forms (being drunk myself) never once have the police tried to turn it around on me only ever helping me with everything.

Only a month ago last year a cop was killed near me in Tamworth NSW after just pulling over some random guy.The fucking guy did'nt even know the cop...like that would have mattered...Cop had a wife and I think 7 kids.Try telling his wife or his kids.And without knowing I'm guessing said shooter gets 15-20 years like that's some kinda justice.

Guess I've over the years grown a huge respect for them.

As with anything there is always two sides to a story and I know in a heartbeat if I ever fronted a court again for anything with a legal aid lawyer to a judge who did not know me and seen my 14-15 year past crimes it would affect what he thought of me and that's all it takes to be honest.